Comments on: SDHC bugfix release + updating software in the Nokia tablets http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/ by Quim Gil Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:38:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: cmetz http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-85 cmetz Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:22:23 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-85 Really nice post. Clear, lucid and providing a good sense of direction to those of us who are newly enamored of this platform despite the growing pains along the way. Really nice post. Clear, lucid and providing a good sense of direction to those of us who are newly enamored of this platform despite the growing pains along the way.

]]> By: qgil http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-84 qgil Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:52:10 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-84 Khertan, please go to http://bugs.maemo.org and report there your problem, if nobody else has done it before you. It's the best way to fix issues and move forward. Thanks! Khertan, please go to http://bugs.maemo.org and report there your problem, if nobody else has done it before you. It’s the best way to fix issues and move forward. Thanks!

]]> By: Khertan http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-83 Khertan Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:20:54 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-83 "3a. Between Chinook and Diablo we plan to address The Repository Issue(s). We can’t do this without the maemo developers at large. Part of the issue seems to be that many developers find their reason to create their repositories elsewhere instead of using extras. We need to discuss and fix what can be improved so extras and the official Nokia/maemo repos are the main reference for everybody." Yes it s a good idea to have a shared repository ... but it's really to difficult to upload his own package. I create my package onboard on my n800 with PyPackager, and all the tool needed for the upload isn't available. !!! “3a. Between Chinook and Diablo we plan to address The Repository Issue(s). We can’t do this without the maemo developers at large. Part of the issue seems to be that many developers find their reason to create their repositories elsewhere instead of using extras. We need to discuss and fix what can be improved so extras and the official Nokia/maemo repos are the main reference for everybody.”

Yes it s a good idea to have a shared repository … but it’s really to difficult to upload his own package. I create my package onboard on my n800 with PyPackager, and all the tool needed for the upload isn’t available. !!!

]]> By: qgil http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-82 qgil Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:54:46 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-82 Hi penguinbait, what an honor. This is not the place and nor I am the person to discuss and even provide technical details. Nor an announcement to end users, if you ask me. These details are being provided in <a href="https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204" rel="nofollow">bug #1204</a> as well as in the maemo-users thread linked above. Check my comments #105 onwards in bug 1204 where I'm explaining there why took so long for Nokia to acknowledge officially the issue. In that bug report you can see that the first public acknowledgement is made on July 15, and in the following weeks my colleague Eero is taking part in the discussion. About quality, we do extensive testing on our software before releasing it. Note that this bug and the damages caused are a combination of a Linux kernel bug that had been around for a while (for everybody, not only in the IT OS), a very specific use case (described extensively by Eero in comment #120) and some SDHC cards not fully compliant with the standards: a combination that apparently nobody had hit before. Note also that the use cases for reproducing this bug with the official software alone are relatively rare, you have to perform specific actions mostly with 3rd party software (***not guilty nor related to this bug***) to detect it. I mean, yes we have a responsibility in the fact of releasing software with that bug but I hope it is clear that the issue wasn't that simple to detect beforehand, nor was simple to find out why some cards got corrupted and others not. Hi penguinbait, what an honor.

This is not the place and nor I am the person to discuss and even provide technical details. Nor an announcement to end users, if you ask me.

These details are being provided in bug #1204 as well as in the maemo-users thread linked above.

Check my comments #105 onwards in bug 1204 where I’m explaining there why took so long for Nokia to acknowledge officially the issue. In that bug report you can see that the first public acknowledgement is made on July 15, and in the following weeks my colleague Eero is taking part in the discussion.

About quality, we do extensive testing on our software before releasing it. Note that this bug and the damages caused are a combination of a Linux kernel bug that had been around for a while (for everybody, not only in the IT OS), a very specific use case (described extensively by Eero in comment #120) and some SDHC cards not fully compliant with the standards: a combination that apparently nobody had hit before. Note also that the use cases for reproducing this bug with the official software alone are relatively rare, you have to perform specific actions mostly with 3rd party software (***not guilty nor related to this bug***) to detect it. I mean, yes we have a responsibility in the fact of releasing software with that bug but I hope it is clear that the issue wasn’t that simple to detect beforehand, nor was simple to find out why some cards got corrupted and others not.

]]> By: penguinbait http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-81 penguinbait Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:49:51 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-81 Hmmm, clear, unless you want real information about the actual problem or what exactly they fixed. Not sure how nokia qa missed this in the first place. DIG dig poke, Maybe Nokia could offer incentives to QA staff for those that find problems, perhaps a more stable platform would follow. I do not claim to know anything about Nokias internal processes, and I dont mean to be so harsh, but you will forgive me for not being excited about a fix for a problem that I never should have had. Hmmm, clear, unless you want real information about the actual problem or what exactly they fixed. Not sure how nokia qa missed this in the first place.

DIG dig poke,

Maybe Nokia could offer incentives to QA staff for those that find problems, perhaps a more stable platform would follow.

I do not claim to know anything about Nokias internal processes, and I dont mean to be so harsh, but you will forgive me for not being excited about a fix for a problem that I never should have had.

]]> By: Texrat, Fort Worth, TX http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-80 Texrat, Fort Worth, TX Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:12:56 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-80 This is a great example of clear, precise communication... exactly what I had once infamously hassled Quim about (much love, man). I am so glad to see the barrier broken and the dialog flowing! This is a great example of clear, precise communication… exactly what I had once infamously hassled Quim about (much love, man). I am so glad to see the barrier broken and the dialog flowing!

]]> By: penguinbait http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-79 penguinbait Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:18:36 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-79 I am missing something, while this seems to have fixed my problem, the description of the issue it fixes does not match my experiences. When untarring large files from flash to mmc1 or mmc2 (2gb kingston mmc mobile or 8gb class 6 kingston) 50% of the time my system would reboot, regardless if I download to flash, mmc, or copy using card reader. This indicates to me a problem, not having anything to do with wlan, and everything to do with mmc kernel support. Will we ever know what really went on, or why Nokia took so long to acknowledge this issue? As I said before, after 2 years I am sick of being the unpaid beta tester for this product!! As the Beastie Boys say, GET IT TOGETHER!!!! I am missing something, while this seems to have fixed my problem, the description of the issue it fixes does not match my experiences. When untarring large files from flash to mmc1 or mmc2 (2gb kingston mmc mobile or 8gb class 6 kingston) 50% of the time my system would reboot, regardless if I download to flash, mmc, or copy using card reader. This indicates to me a problem, not having anything to do with wlan, and everything to do with mmc kernel support. Will we ever know what really went on, or why Nokia took so long to acknowledge this issue? As I said before, after 2 years I am sick of being the unpaid beta tester for this product!!

As the Beastie Boys say, GET IT TOGETHER!!!!

]]> By: qgil http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-78 qgil Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:04:09 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-78 No scripts to end users. As explained above what we are doing is fixing the issue from the root(fs) ;) by converting kernel et al in debian packages updatable via application manager and even a simpler interface. But this will take some time. Thanks to you for your feedback and contributions! No scripts to end users. As explained above what we are doing is fixing the issue from the root(fs) ;) by converting kernel et al in debian packages updatable via application manager and even a simpler interface. But this will take some time.

Thanks to you for your feedback and contributions!

]]> By: josh http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-77 josh Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:48:21 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-77 Ah yes - this I know and have done already. In fact I wrote the original wiki entry on itt for updating the kernel not using a PC (not that I came up with any of it - I just got tired of having to search for the info every time I did it!). You did answer my question though - you guys (Nokia) are not going to do this for us. I guess I was thinking that if it were an installable script, then the end user wouldn't have to do anything other than use the app manager. Thanks again! It is really nice to have this kind of contact! Ah yes – this I know and have done already. In fact I wrote the original wiki entry on itt for updating the kernel not using a PC (not that I came up with any of it – I just got tired of having to search for the info every time I did it!). You did answer my question though – you guys (Nokia) are not going to do this for us. I guess I was thinking that if it were an installable script, then the end user wouldn’t have to do anything other than use the app manager. Thanks again! It is really nice to have this kind of contact!

]]> By: qgil http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-76 qgil Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:08:14 +0000 http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/#comment-76 Flashing the kernel alone is not officially supported and as Nokia we are not planning to offer any nice&easy system to do it - not to confuse the average end user. There flasher tool for Linux supports this https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html and the ITT the thread linked above has a small howto. Try this at your own risk. Flashing the kernel alone is not officially supported and as Nokia we are not planning to offer any nice&easy system to do it – not to confuse the average end user.

There flasher tool for Linux supports this https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html and the ITT the thread linked above has a small howto. Try this at your own risk.

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